Debug Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) Is it that DirectX is easier or better than OpenGL, even if OpenGL is cross-platform? Why do we not see real powerful games for Linux like there are for Windows? Edited June 26, 2012 by Debug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellon Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 There are a lot more people who use Windows on the desktop then there are people who use Linux on the desktop. Creating a game is expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valik Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Stupid question with obvious answer is stupid.. and obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvanegmond Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Not so obvious as you might think. DirectX and OpenGL have a long and interesting history.Most exhaustive link I could find: http://programmers.stackexchange.com/a/88055 . There's actually a lot more to it. A lot of interesting things as well, such as this. github.com/jvanegmond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrewManNH Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 I believe Valik was referring to the point that Linux has virtually no penetration into the desktop world, so why would a game company waste valuable resources writing games for it? Just because you CAN write games for it using OpenGL, why would you do it for the $25 you'd make from it (total worldwide sales to Linux users, as a guesstimate)? If I posted any code, assume that code was written using the latest release version unless stated otherwise. Also, if it doesn't work on XP I can't help with that because I don't have access to XP, and I'm not going to.Give a programmer the correct code and he can do his work for a day. Teach a programmer to debug and he can do his work for a lifetime - by Chirag GudeHow to ask questions the smart way! I hereby grant any person the right to use any code I post, that I am the original author of, on the autoitscript.com forums, unless I've specifically stated otherwise in the code or the thread post. If you do use my code all I ask, as a courtesy, is to make note of where you got it from. Back up and restore Windows user files _Array.au3 - Modified array functions that include support for 2D arrays. - ColorChooser - An add-on for SciTE that pops up a color dialog so you can select and paste a color code into a script. - Customizable Splashscreen GUI w/Progress Bar - Create a custom "splash screen" GUI with a progress bar and custom label. - _FileGetProperty - Retrieve the properties of a file - SciTE Toolbar - A toolbar demo for use with the SciTE editor - GUIRegisterMsg demo - Demo script to show how to use the Windows messages to interact with controls and your GUI. - Latin Square password generator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valik Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Right. It has nothing to do with DirectX versus OpenGL. It has everything to do with ~85% market share (Windows) compared to ~1% market share (Linux). Those figures include mobile operating systems, when you take those away Windows jumps up to 93% market share.Source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvanegmond Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) Supporting an extra OS always costs extra development time. If OpenGL worked well enough, then the time required is minimal. It could be so minimal even that the 1% market share Linux has today is big enough to become financially worth it, or at least possible to break even. (Valve aren't stupid, along with other big companies like AMD looking to get the upper hand in this early Linux gaming market).There will always be developers who will want to support another OS from a personal motivation (ideological, or preference for example). That extra development time purely for the OS quickly becomes very small and then it has everything to do with DirectX versus OpenGL. In turn, that's a battle fought a decade ago (see link in previous post), but it looks like we're going to be seeing again in the near future. Edited June 26, 2012 by Manadar github.com/jvanegmond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellon Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Err, as noted in the article the development time isn't small. Getting something to work across OS isn't a matter of search and replace. You also have the added time and expense of maintaining the item across OSs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Getting something to work across OS isn't a matter of search and replace.I disagree. High level languages by definition should not have portability issues. Of course in practice this only works for a very small function set.Manadar agreed with you, apart from this small point:If OpenGL worked well enough, then the time required is minimal.OpenGl should do the whole window creation and user input bit, which leaves exactly the same thing to be done by the developer.Currently basic demos do work cross platform. Problem is that developers also need to do stuff like connect to servers. AutoIt Project Listing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Relevant. http://www.jwz.org/blog/2012/06/i-have-ported-xscreensaver-to-the-iphone/ Blog - Seriously epic web hosting - Twitter - GitHub - Cachet HQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrewManNH Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 The more I read about OpenGL the more it seems that they have screwed the pooch with the changes to it over the past 2 decades. If I posted any code, assume that code was written using the latest release version unless stated otherwise. Also, if it doesn't work on XP I can't help with that because I don't have access to XP, and I'm not going to.Give a programmer the correct code and he can do his work for a day. Teach a programmer to debug and he can do his work for a lifetime - by Chirag GudeHow to ask questions the smart way! I hereby grant any person the right to use any code I post, that I am the original author of, on the autoitscript.com forums, unless I've specifically stated otherwise in the code or the thread post. If you do use my code all I ask, as a courtesy, is to make note of where you got it from. Back up and restore Windows user files _Array.au3 - Modified array functions that include support for 2D arrays. - ColorChooser - An add-on for SciTE that pops up a color dialog so you can select and paste a color code into a script. - Customizable Splashscreen GUI w/Progress Bar - Create a custom "splash screen" GUI with a progress bar and custom label. - _FileGetProperty - Retrieve the properties of a file - SciTE Toolbar - A toolbar demo for use with the SciTE editor - GUIRegisterMsg demo - Demo script to show how to use the Windows messages to interact with controls and your GUI. - Latin Square password generator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Robertson Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) Relevant. http://www.jwz.org/blog/2012/06/i-have-ported-xscreensaver-to-the-iphone/His comment about not ever removing obsoleted functions seems strange. I am perfectly Ok with have multiple versions of a system (each separate and usable concurrently) which may or may not have all the old features. I am not Ok with Frankenstein's monster libraries. Edited June 28, 2012 by Richard Robertson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armoros Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Is it that DirectX is easier or better than OpenGL, even if OpenGL is cross-platform? Why do we not see real powerful games for Linux like there are for Windows?Why do game dev/companies use Steam? [font="verdana, geneva, sans-serif"] [/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Why do game dev/companies use Steam?Because steam is pretty cool. Makes it easier for us to spend money. armoros 1 AutoIt Project Listing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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