Moderators SmOke_N Posted February 18, 2007 Author Moderators Share Posted February 18, 2007 I understand your not wanting to share the source code and have no problem with it. There is (without making an accusation) however another question to ask. One has to wonder what other features there may be included that you might decide to turn on later? For that matter what additional code might be included in each obfuscated script that could also be turned on or off later. I remember an incident from a few years back, a company purchased a major piece of niche software and a service contract. A couple years later the service got very poor. The purchaser negotiated with the vendor repeatedly, the vendor committed to better service but didn't follow through. The company canceled the service contract. The vendor was enraged and demanded that the company pickup the service contract and at the higher current rate. The company refused, 3 weeks later the vendor used a backdoor and shutdown the software. The company failed before the courts could provide any relief. Now, from your general demeanor on the forum and reading your posts, I doubt you would do something like that, but who could know for a fact? The reason I don't use the Encoder is because I don't user any software that MUST phone home in order to operate. I appreciate your telling me about that up front.I find your post amusing to say the least though Gene. 1. You empathize with me on why I won't show the source. Yet you've chosen to post your opinion on a subject you really don't know anything about. 2. You question my integrity on your whether or not I'd write something malicious. Yet, you double back later on in the post, but alas end up right back to where you were before. 3. You question whether or not I'd include other type of information in the end-users obfuscation, again questioning my integrity. This clearly shows you don't have a clue how this works. 4. We hear about a someone that bought software that was maliciously turned against them. You're kidding right? Out of the umpteen million programs out there, you choose to point out only 1 negative one? Please post all the negative ones (also please include any positive ones that you might find). 5. Now, after questioning my integrity, then you want to say that my "demeanor" on the forum is probably proof enough I wouldn't do such a thing, but then... you question me again in the same sentence. Do you live your life like this? That's pitiful. 6. And the best of all, you've decided to post in my thread, and really haven't posted anything of any relevance. You're someone we should listen to why? Because you have an opinion? Right, please find something relevant to either EnCodeIt or myself that would deserve such a ludicrous assumption, because we all know the story on opinions and what they are like. P.S. If you're smart enough (and if you're not you shouldn't be using it anyway), you can follow the information quite easily within the code itself, I've even dummy proofed the variable and function name changes for you, so you can find them within your obfuscated script. To everyone else: EnCodeIt will be removed permanently, due to the selfishness of others. The source will still remain private and will not be shared. Maybe Gene has the time to make an open source one for you. In the words of Valik [*CLICK*] Common sense plays a role in the basics of understanding AutoIt... If you're lacking in that, do us all a favor, and step away from the computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thatsgreat2345 Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 but who could know for a fact?me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valuater Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 me Ditto!!!and ... I knew this was going to happen so... i just tried to get mine to work before Ron Shut it off.... Shit, thanks guysI really dont blame Ron 1 bit, he has put up with a lot of crap in this thread ( notice my last post too )8( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kandie Man Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 Too bad. Maybe people should quit whining and being complete self-proclaimed retards when people make free stuff for you. "So man has sown the wind and reaped the world. Perhaps in the next few hours there will no remembrance of the past and no hope for the future that might have been." & _"All the works of man will be consumed in the great fire after which he was created." & _"And if there is a future for man, insensitive as he is, proud and defiant in his pursuit of power, let him resolve to live it lovingly, for he knows well how to do so." & _"Then he may say once more, 'Truly the light is sweet, and what a pleasant thing it is for the eyes to see the sun.'" - The Day the Earth Caught Fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 I find your post amusing to say the least though Gene. In the words of Valik [*CLICK*] If I had questioned your integrity it would have been explicit! You wouldn't have had to wander back and forth! I have never used EnCodeIt for the reason I stated and no others. I didn't think you were this thin skinned, nobody who writes software should be thin skinned. Besides ever since I joined this forum I and I feel sure you have too seen many posts recomending folks to post their source and for people to examine it closely before running it. You heard about that incident because that is what I remembered as I thought about the possible ramifications of software the HAS to PHONE home to run. Everything I mentioned is possible. I didn't think you would do those things so I said so! Yes I know we all have opinions, mine were that you wouldn't be creating software time bombs and that you wouldn't be upset as you are. Well, I got the second one wrong. Software that phones home still bothers me not for what you have done or even might do. It bothers me because of what it can be used to do. If/As other people use a similar method to allow use of an application, people will become accustomed to it. How many times have you read Valik berating people for asking for tools that can be used for nefarious purposes. No matter how good and well intentioned you are, you are helping set the stage for a lot of future unpleasantness. Gene [font="Verdana"]Thanks for the response.Gene[/font]Yes, I know the punctuation is not right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators SmOke_N Posted February 18, 2007 Author Moderators Share Posted February 18, 2007 If I had questioned your integrity it would have been explicit! You wouldn't have had to wander back and forth!If you don't think that's how it reads to someone that didn't type it, you may want to have a 3rd party read it for you and give their opinion. Having said that, I'm not sure you would have said it explicitly. From the posts I've read, and the PMs I've received, in the past from you, you enjoy, digging up an analytical debate, giving a 300 page dissertation, or posting read between the lines posts.I didn't think you were this thin skinned, nobody who writes software should be thin skinned.Care to elaborate on what "this thin skinned" means? If you actually did more than skim through the 3 or 400 posts (this thread and the original), you would see that my skin has been fairly thick in this for the last 16 months, since the first release of EnCodeIt. I've taken more insults and ill thought out complaints about how I provide this "free" option than I care to think of at the moment.Now, do I expect you to read all 3 or 400 posts?.... Well, only if you plan on posting an opinion about me or how I choose to do something. I really don't know how you can form an actual opinion without doing so. That's like the jury handing in a verdict before anyone actually pleads a case.Software that phones home still bothers me not for what you have done or even might do. It bothers me because of what it can be used to do. If/As other people use a similar method to allow use of an application, people will become accustomed to it. How many times have you read Valik berating people for asking for tools that can be used for nefarious purposes.If you are going to bring a moderator into this, at least have enough respect for them and Jon, to know that if they felt in any way that if this was malicious or could cause harm to you or anyone else, they would have either asked me to remove it, or removed it themselves long ago.No matter how good and well intentioned you are, you are helping set the stage for a lot of future unpleasantness.That's a rediculous statement, and rather ironic at the same time. Common sense plays a role in the basics of understanding AutoIt... If you're lacking in that, do us all a favor, and step away from the computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 If you don't think that's how it reads to someone that didn't type it, you may want to have a 3rd party read it for you and give their opinion. Having said that, I'm not sure you would have said it explicitly. From the posts I've read, and the PMs I've received, in the past from you, you enjoy, digging up an analytical debate, giving a 300 page dissertation, or posting read between the lines posts.Care to elaborate on what "this thin skinned" means? If you actually did more than skim through the 3 or 400 posts (this thread and the original), you would see that my skin has been fairly thick in this for the last 16 months, since the first release of EnCodeIt. I've taken more insults and ill thought out complaints about how I provide this "free" option than I care to think of at the moment.Now, do I expect you to read all 3 or 400 posts?.... Well, only if you plan on posting an opinion about me or how I choose to do something. I really don't know how you can form an actual opinion without doing so. That's like the jury handing in a verdict before anyone actually pleads a case.If you are going to bring a moderator into this, at least have enough respect for them and Jon, to know that if they felt in any way that if this was malicious or could cause harm to you or anyone else, they would have either asked me to remove it, or removed it themselves long ago.That's a rediculous statement, and rather ironic at the same time.I do like analytical debate, and not one made up of sound bytes. What is wrong with that? Obviously it doesn't show, but I hate typing even though it is a requirement for communication. I looked at about 20 or so posts, but I was struck by the first response to you and your response to him. It was about your phone home technique for control. Your response indicated there were probably reasons other than just the one he suggested as well. I began to wonder what they might be.The only opinion of you that I posted was that I didn't think you would use your method of control to do nefarious things and I admitted that I couldn't know.Was what I said about Valik incorrect? As I recall, those posts of his discussed how or that capabilities requested could be used, not how he thought the people requesting them would use them. You can't seriously believe that a "phone home" feature could not be used for malicious purposes.Going back to the post that upset you, I quote..."There is (without making an accusation) however another question to ask. One has to wonder what other features there may be included that you might decide to turn on later? For that matter what additional code might be included in each obfuscated script that could also be turned on or off later." That is no accusation, it does point out the possibility of extra abilities. Since I have never used the EnCoder, I couldn't know what the output would look like, but if it is easily readable, what would the purpose be?"Now, from your general demeanor on the forum and reading your posts, I doubt you would do something like that, but who could know for a fact?" I can see how the last 7 words there could bother you, but it really just acknowledges that I know as little about you as you know about me. "The reason I don't use the Encoder is because I don't user any software that MUST phone home in order to operate. I appreciate your telling me about that up front." I gave you my reason for this and you blew it off. Again, "You can't seriously believe that a "phone home" feature could not be used for malicious purposes". "No matter how good and well intentioned you are, you are helping set the stage for a lot of future unpleasantness." That would only be ridiculous if you were not an important contributor to the forum. You are capable of engendering methods and setting styles. Yet again, "You can't seriously believe that a "phone home" feature could not be used for malicious purposes".The "thin skinned" comment comes from the fact that although I took your "Phone Home" method to task because of its potential to be used as a backdoor, you apparently perceived it as a personal attack. I have long known that a personal verbal attack does little to change someone's methods, but if people can't attack/take to task/take issue with/or a phrase of similar effect, your method, what can they do?You also said something about me making read-between-the-lines posts, I'll have to review my posts to check that. I probably have, I don't think that would put me in either a small or necessarily ill-mannered group.There is one other thing, the magnitude of your reaction gave my post more importance than I had thought it had. Gene [font="Verdana"]Thanks for the response.Gene[/font]Yes, I know the punctuation is not right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valuater Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 I'm a Fortune Teller!Just after Gene's first post, I sent this PM to SmOke_NGene is just one of those guys whom has a strange since of logic... alwayshe went on-and-on in one of my threads a while back, i am glad he "dis-counted" himself within his post on EnCodeIt, that way there is NO NEED to respond to him.... just another day in paradise... lol8)and guess what happened... lol8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salter Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 dam lol, just needed to use this. anyone know of any other good Obfuscators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thatsgreat2345 Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 (edited) Make your own, or buy it from Ron Edited February 18, 2007 by Thatsgreat2345 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salter Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 (edited) Make your own, or buy it from Ronhmm its not that easy and im poor lol.i kind of started on one, i can Obfuscate variables and func names, not sure how i to do the strings though Edited February 19, 2007 by salter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thatsgreat2345 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 StringRegExp is magical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryFrost Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 See what happens when there's Bitching and moaning about something..... Now it's gone..... Too bad so sad.... la de da.... S.O.L. etc... SciTE for AutoItDirections for Submitting Standard UDFs  Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salter Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 StringRegExp is magicalnot sure how to find each string in the code Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friendfox Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 EnCodeIt must have access to the internet upon start up. But i inernet is upon now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators SmOke_N Posted February 20, 2007 Author Moderators Share Posted February 20, 2007 EnCodeIt must have access to the internet upon start up.But i inernet is upon now.I apologize for the imposition, but at the moment I'm not supporting this version of EnCodeIt any longer.http://www.autoitscript.com/forum/index.ph...st&p=307088 Common sense plays a role in the basics of understanding AutoIt... If you're lacking in that, do us all a favor, and step away from the computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proph Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Forgive me if this is a dumb question... @Smoke... Where can I purchase EncodeIt from you? This is a wonderful tool you've made. Allthough I do have a couple of scripts I can't get to work with it no matter what I do to the code. But that is probably because I didn't follow the guidelines for proper syntax of variables etc. I've tried to fix the syntax but I have never been able to get it to work with them. It does however work perfectly with most of my other scripts. If it is possible to purchase a new version of Encode it please show me where. Thanks for everything you've done here at the autoit forums. Some people want to be A**es... because they don't realize everything you do. You seem to me to be a very helpful person... as long as the person needing help can show that they are actually trying to help themselves. I hope you never release the source of encodeit. It needs to be private. There would be no point in EncodeIt if it was open source. I was going to donate to you for the help you have given me in the past couple days and I notice that you removed Encode it from here. So I would definatly like to purchase a copy of it. Thx, Siginet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friendfox Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Hi dear SmOke_N please tell me how to buy u enautoit I am from china Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeReNGi Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Story over.... Just dropping all user of EnCodeIT ;-( ServicesPE|LoadVMDK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J0ker Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 (edited) NOOOOO ! This program was unbeliavable, your an amazing coder Smoke ! Don't let those kids out there ruin your work. Please continu supporting this incredible tool! If your going to sell it, I will buy it for sure ! Edited March 12, 2007 by J0ker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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